Steam clouds exists because of gov't and corporate decisions, made by corporate executives and gov't officials. My condolences to her friends and family. "Given that the approach predates the stack she hit"The current approach is dated Jan 30, 2020. https://www.kmvt.com/2021/02/26/the-fate-of-the-burley-municipal-airport-continues-to-be-uncertain/, N928JP diverted to Twin Falls on the day before the accident. The insurance company, the salvage team, the trauma center were all baffled at how I survived the crash. Stack is 100' AGL, 4,256' MSL per the obstruction database:16-036731 O US ID HEYBURN 42 33 05.92N 113 45 34.15W STACK 1 00100 04256 R 4 D P 2016ANM01617OE A 2017285Full stack database discussion here:http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650113710197#c2541529799564513775. If so, should have gone missed a second time. The MDA is 4560 with a TDZE of 4152; so 408 above with a requirement of 1 mile visibility. Once, when flying with her sister, they looked out at the mountains, trees, and clouds, marveling at the beauty. (All of the info presented below is offered with the understanding expressed in this posting and by others regarding usage of ADS-B data. ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 301345. 560XL+ 4 fatal Connecticut. He wanted to ban jets at SMO and ultimately close it. A highly paid government administrator owns that failure.Perhaps we should instead ask ourselves why our government prints money for the endless series of foreign wars and funding of every new citizen who wades across our southern border but we can't equip these airports with an ILS.Put 14 billion on it. We also know that this position was too low as thousands of other flights landed on that runway without hitting the stack.The MDH seems much lower than the OVC layer. Among the victims were American singer and actress Aaliyah and members of her entourage, including a hairdresser, her . If she was still in IMC after minimums, the witness and security camera would not have seen her aircraft. kobe bryant s helicopter flew in fog that grounded other. She loved flying the Idaho backcountry while working for Gem Air as well as flying UPS routes in Idaho and Utah. El Paso, TX USA This approach has an MDA of 408 AGL, a glideslope of 3.75, do the math. He then botched the landing by coming up short in the surf. ^ You are making too much of a simple accident. From the approach plate "RNAV (GPS) RWY 20 Burley Muni BYI": The approach path angle is 3.75 degrees. Usually when someone does that in a 'Van it's with 20 or full flaps, in the hope of 'parachuting' the plane down to the runway, then adding a touch of throttle just before touchdown.4k hrs. Minter was elected to the Santa Monica City Council in 1955 and served as mayor from 1963-1967. "That's what you get if capitalism runs unchecked and controls every aspect of public life: commercials, banalities and emotions instead of reason, science and art that make life so much fuller. It's likely the effect of the plume is fairly localized, much like wake turbulence. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia A lot of conjecture in this comment, I have over 200 instrument approaches to this airport (of course all have been at minimums :-)), the silos don't come in to play, neither do the cooling towers, it is a tricky approach with a lot of thermal issues from the potato plant and river and roadways but nothing a 1500+ hour pilot can't handle. Also, if the pilot intended the first pass to inspect the runway surface and conditions, they would not have slowed down as much as on the final pass. What a dumb place to put the potato factory, lots of open land, but yeahhh lets put factory with stem stacks right on short final. There is still data needed to determine amount of fuel in tanks. Freight dispatchers aren't the ones responsible for letting under-equipped airports remain that way. The KBYI AWOS observations already cited above all gave evidence of Icing Conditions of -SN (light snow) and below freezing temperatures. OKthere might have been steam from the various stacks on the building, but the conditions were IMC from below the MDA, all the way to breaking out a few seconds before hitting the tower. I only have about 8,000 hours behind PT engines, so what do I know? Looking at obstacle markings on the BYI RW20 approach plate, it is interesting to compare to ALL of the HEYBURN-associated obstacles that exist in the current 16-ID.dat obstacle database.Notably, the 4179' obstruction shown by the river at 7th avenue in the inset runway detail of the plate is not in the database, appears to be Gossner's Magic Valley Chalet based on low height and location. Hopefully that, and possibly cameras at the airport or in the vicinity of the airport can provide some information though most are not pointed towards the sky.Pilots that fly this route regularly will be intimately familiar with the obstacles and may even stay a little high and err to stay slightly on the right side of the approach or keep the diamonds centered and follow the flight director. Second time around, the airplane's last data is 4150 (ground elevation) with an groundspeed of 80 knots. COO occasionally recaps fatalities as a learning tool for pilots, as the reports are very often informative and important. Minor injuries to two aboard. Dead-center. There is a parallel expressway, I-20, beyond runway 24 - at that time of day it would have been crammed with bumper to bumper rush hour morning traffic with parallel lines of red and white lights, little dots repeating perfectly. I remember reading a story about a pilot who ditched in the ocean just off shore from a beach, maybe 20-30 yards out, and walked away uninjured. In lieu of flowers, the Infanger family is welcoming donations for a scholarship fund in Brittneys honor. Yes, the pilot descended below minimums but she did so because she had the runway in sight, which is NOT a minimums "bust". You got misled by time compressed comm presentations provided as four minute videos on youtube. Steam enters such drums at 140-180C (284-356F) and 10-12 bar. A special automated weather report for BYI about the time of the accident reported 1 mile visibility in light snow and mist, broken layer at 2,300 ft above ground level (agl), overcast at 2,800 ft agl, temperature -3C, dew point temperature -5C, barometric pressure 29.96 inches of mercury. From the eyewitness testimony in the preliminary report, we know the she did enter the steam cloud.As for the MDA, if she had the runway in view (and likely did at this range, as the forward visibility was given as 1 statute mile, she was already below the cloud base, and the stack is almost exactly 0.5 mi from the threshold of the runway), she was ok to be below MDA.I also want to emphasize that the impacted stack is DIRECTLY on the extended centerline of the runway. Having survived a Cessna 150 crash into a forest I can attest first hand that shoulder harness' save lives. There is a LOT of detail logged in the G1000 system onboard these aircraft. "Nothing new under the sun." Thirty feet is not a big change in your analysis, but after verifying the stack is #16-036731 in the obstruction database, true height of 100 feet is the verified data. At some time before noon on August 7, 2020, a Turbo Cessna 210 took off from Roosevelt, Utah, for a fair-weather daytime flight. A Cessna Citation V business jet that crashed in Oregon, the United States, killing the pilot, after entering a spiraling descent was because of pilot incapacitation, investigators of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) found. The four Gossner Foods elevators are not on the plate or in the database. There is photographic evidence of the stacks on the roof at the collision location in a 2018 Town News article about the plant, so they have been there at least that long. No problem to figure out from the street view image, using the height of the red frame's upper platform yellow guardrail as a measuring reference for the stack and truck bay door openings to figure roof elevation.The stack rises above the roof surface by approximately 20 multiples of the guardrail height. About 1 minute later, the controller asked the pilot if she had crossed the initial approach fix. The Flight Safety Cessna Caravan Emergency Memory Items Check List calls for Airspeed85 KIAS for Model 208 without flaps or with 20 degrees flaps for an Model 208B Engine Failure Immediately After Takeoff. Would the FAA have allowed the company to mount a strobe on the top of that stack, or would it have interfered with the sight picture for a pilot on the glideslope for a landing? The aircraft left quite an impressive impact crater, and both people aboard are presumed dead. Sorry about the un-closed bold run-on. Turbine engines are especially vulnerable. Not sure if runway lights would be on, since it was 8:32 AM MDT with sunrise an hour and a half earlier at 6:56 AM. He later served as city attorney for Arcadia and a judge for the Los Angeles County Superior Court. The single isolated stack is perfectly positioned to snag an aircraft that is suddenly enshrouded in the condensate clouds and losing altitude. Kathryn S Report Cessna 320d Executive Skyknight N320mf Registered And Operated By Gv Air Inc Fatal Accident Occurred June 28 2018 In Fairfield Utah County Utah One possible cause of a flameout could be the accumulation of ice and snow on the PT-6 turbine compressor section intake screen. The stack is depicted on the approach plate as being 4304' MSL. "4,000 feet"How to tell us you aren't a pilot without telling us you aren't a pilot. She established -857 and kept it there and kept going. The pilot and three passengers, including the pilot's wife, were killed when the plane entered an uncontrolled descent, suffered an in-flight breakup and crashed near Hayden, Alabama. How could anyone be up here, see Gods creation, and doubt His love? she had asked. People have certain biases from who was flying in any accident that makes it easy to manipulate them. She was truly amazing. Someone else who had similarly flown into BYI many times, made a first approach across the impossible to overcome steam cloud before going missed, came in for the second after sizing it all up thoroughly on the first pass, but continuing until crashing instead of going missed again. Non-credible to believe roof was perceived as runway with continuation all the way to impact by a pilot expecting the river to lay across the approach end of the runway as it had always been in every previous landing there. In the publication it states that if an airplane was manufactured without shoulder harnesses, the owner should obtain a kit to install them from the manufacturer or manufacturer's local representative. I will say that the analyses here have been very well thought out and thought provoking. It wasn't so long ago that people underestimated the serious effects of wake turbulence as well. (or the overcast). ADSB data and Airport Surveillance Cameras are God Sends for looking into aircraft mishaps such as these. 1984 Cessna Skylane II 182R. The plant releases huge quantities of hot water vapour through stacks, (industrial chimneys). If the plume broadly affected approaches, this wouldn't have been the first occurrence. The only way to hit the obstacles is to be WAY low on the approach. Easy enough to fact check using Adsbexchange and the LiveAtc recording.Results:-Cleared for takeoff @7 minute mark on LiveAtc-ADS-B shows airborne by @23:08:23Z-Flies along coast, gets halfway to Malibu-No airspeed or altitude trouble so far-ADS-B shows a turnback starting @23:14:00-"I'd like to return" @14 minute mark LiveAtc-ADS-B speed & altitude degrading on the way back-Declares Emergency just before 16 minute mark -ATC offers "left base for runway 3" @17 minute mark-ADS-B shows crossing the pier @23:18:04Simple to listen to comm audio source files for yourself:https://www.liveatc.net/archive.phpThis accident's file is found by selecting:Date: 22 December, Time: 2300-2330Z, Feed: "KSMO Tower #1". See this image that shows the stacks are directly on a standard 3 degree descent angle and there is no VSGI lighting to warn you otherwise. 24 much safer and longer runway which I feel more comfortable with. Well he set the brake and forgot to release it. She went full power and could not arrest her descent and hit the stack. Cessna T337G Super Skymaster, N337KN: Fatal accident occurred July 17, 2022 in Gold Hill, Boulder County, Colorado . When I look at Google Earth and that smoke stack it obvious it was only a matter of time before that stack met a plane trying to make the runway. The lowest reported cloud layer was 1500 feet higher than the MDA. . The crash occurred just after takeoff around 1135 am. Granted, the winds were strong on the day this video was shot, but I can't imagine it being much worse on a calm day. Presumably, the decision to descend from cruise altitude for BYI on the accident day followed similar protocol.Let's look at the METARs available for making the real-time decision on each of those two days:The divert from BYI to Twin Falls on the day before the accident shows up as a turn toward TWF underway at 14:52:44 Z. It's just a matter of how priorities are arranged. But I don't find it baffling that a 95-year-old would not survive the accident. This tragic accident highlights the risk of anyone flying in a single engine aircraft over areas with minimal forced landing space. If you were a pilot you would know that warm/wet air has very little lift. Conveyor belts feed mash to the bottom surfaces of six huge, slowly rotating steel drums that are heated internally by steam. Again it was very unfortunate. I venture that your confident swagger and language will be forever humbled. He is an avid aviator, and his wife, Doris, is a member of the Ninety-Nines, the international organization of women pilots." Aviation don't care who you are. As any pilot knows, the altitudes reported by FlightAware are uncorrected pressure altitudes and do not reflect the corrected indicated barometric altitude that pilots reference for assigned altitudes, MDA, etc. MARLIN, Texas (KTRK) -- Two people dead after a Cessna TU206 crashed Tuesday afternoon in Marlin, Texas. 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