November 12, 2006 I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Mickey Lolich, of the Detroit Tigers pitching during a game from his 1972 season with the Detroit Tigers. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. May 7, 2013 They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. Mike B Mike B 170 lbs.? And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Mickey liked his doughnuts. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. That's more realistic but generous, I think! In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. That's pretty good this day in age. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Ken Akerman Tigers Indians. He easily could have won 15 or more games with any support at all. October 18, 2008 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Mickey Lolich so despised the Mets experience that he sat home and ate donuts for a year rather than play again in New York. I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. That would make him a star in today's market. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. December 13, 2007 mets bogeyman For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Donut Shoppe Patron Ramblin' Pete His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. Rusty could hit with the lights out. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. November 12, 2006 Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). He had terrific stuff. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! It was not made for the purpose of improving the team. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. senor ortiz That's pretty good this day in age. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. October 2, 2005 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. June 2, 2006 Rusty played another decade. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" This has never happened before? John Bruce How much they adore them! Really? He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. The pretty ones and the ugly ones -- we have them all! To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? August 7, 2002 =Chuck= Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. May 8, 2003 Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. March 5, 2006 to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. December 20, 2019 My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. May 25, 2001 Michael His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. May 8, 2003 October 4, 2006 Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. So why did you try to destroy the guy? My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. April 23, 2003 We are going all the way!" The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! You can't be serious. The point is he made a bad team worse. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. December 20, 2019 Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. December 20, 2019 Jamey Bumbalo I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. =Chuck= Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the Raymond Malcuit Shickhaus Franks McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. December 8, 2006 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! March 18, 2001 I still have it somewhere. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. What an interesting parallel, huh? senor ortiz But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. October 4, 2006 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. I don't know, but I love this story: A couple years ago, my buddy was working on the new Cardinals Stadium in St. Louis and he kept telling all the Cards fans there that their '68 team got beat 3 times by a donut salesman! Man, he was a big one. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Max Power November 10, 2002 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? Theatrical performances, medicinal, musical, religious and other acts. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. September 24, 2005 The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Al But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. 170 lbs.? Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. June 30, 2019 I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! April 23, 2003 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. But the facts are: Really? Mike B But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. . What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. 170 lbs.? See the Mets won-lost record against every team, and in every ballpark in which they've played! As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. 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