Ecclesiastes/Song of Solomon - Leaders Guide. Some think Solomon speaks of himself, that he was so eager in prosecuting this great enquiry that he could not sleep for thinking of it. God puts up with so much. The statement There is no release from that [or the] war could refer figuratively to the march into death that all face or simply be metaphoric for Theres no getting out of this. Then the final line, and wickedness will not deliver those who are given to it, would tie back to the turn to wrongdoing in verse 3. But it is tragic when people misinterpret God's patience and God's kindness. [20] For there is not a just man on earth, that does good, and sins not. Send inquiries regarding the operation of this Web site to webmaster@ucg.org. it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by [28] Which yet my soul seeks, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found. That all of the talk of the rapture of the church and the return of Jesus Christ is just piped dreams, a misinterpretation of scriptures. [24] That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out? reason to be thankful for what they had, and to lift up their Let us pray that we may view eternal things as near, real, and all-important. It may seem unfair because the evil are prospered and the righteous are persecuted. Add To Cart. sun, than (n) to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of life was a low one. In fact, Solomon himself wrote elsewhere, The fear of the LORD prolongs days, but the years of the wicked will be shortened (Proverbs 10:27 Proverbs 10:27The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.American King James Version). Though a man be ever so industrious, thou he labour to seek it out. [6] For whom the Lord loves he chastens, and whips every son whom he receives. (Needing to give such instruction without any self-serving appearance could be part of why Solomon referred to himself as the Preacher throughout the book rather than as king.). He's very loving. . The dead would not have been taken to the temple, for that would have been ceremonially defiling. Ecclesiastes 8:10 i _Then I commended mirth_ As before in chs. God's judgment will come, and thus, I surely know it will be well with those that fear God. He would not have us try to give a reason for what God does. Solomon in Proverbs 10:7 Proverbs 10:7The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot.American King James Versionwrote, The memory of the righteous is blessed, but the name of the wicked will rot. Perhaps the frustration in Ecclesiastes 8:10 Ecclesiastes 8:10And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and gone from the place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so done: this is also vanity.American King James Versionis simply that the wicked were able to die and receive a proper burial after a long life without having to face up to what theyd doneall the while having been permitted in life to be regularly in Gods temple, a sacrilege and mockery of religion. verba Ecclesiastes filii David regis Hierusalem. Nay, [3.] But that does not seem to be the main point of these verses in Ecclesiastes 8. People should not despair over these problems, but rather enjoy whatever God has given them in life (15). [26] And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoever pleases God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her. Ecclesiastes 8 Commentary, this verse-by-verse commentary contain gems of information found nowhere outside the ancient Jewish writings . Do not take your stand for an evil thing, for he does whatever pleases him." Where the word of a king is, there is power; mind, thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortab Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the Dr. Walter Kaiser, whose overall outline weve been following, describes the chapter 8 subsection as follows: The removal of a large proportion of the apparent inequalities in divine providence comes from righteous government. This summary, however, does not appear to be quite accurate. Who knows anything? thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortable use If, for example, people work in the kings palace, they will do what the king says, partly because they have sworn before God to be obedient and partly because they will be punished if they disobey. Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. Things happen to both good and evil men. Article Images Copyright 2023 Getty Images unless otherwise indicated. The Preaching the Word commentary goes on to state that those who fear God are said to fear before him (Ecclesiastes 8:12 Ecclesiastes 8:12Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:American King James Version), meaning that they know they are in his presence. Honor all men. CONCLUSION: Heavenly wisdom makes a man a good man, Ecclesiastes 8:1. and because they had not so much of them: as others; who yet had 2. The writer returns to the sentiment expressed already (Ecclesiastes [17] Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end. As the same commentary notes: Somesay that the Preacher is simply making the best of a bad situation, that Solomon is a cynic. The mention of an oath to God may bring to mind the need to follow through on vows to God in Ecclesiastes 5. We must arm ourselves against the temptation of an oppressive government and not think it strange (v. 9, 10). heads and be cheerful, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God in and cheerfully, with moderation and thankfulness, to enjoy what This new Bible commentary is designed to provide 21st-century scholars, pastors, students, and laity an academically competent, readable commentary in the Wesleyan theological tradition. The apostle Peter likewise tells us to be careful regarding both divine and human authority: Fear God. That's a fatal mistake to make. The fear of the LORD prolongs days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened. That Jesus isn't coming again. Ecclesiastes 8:1. It doesn't matter to God that I cheat. He had earlier said unto them, "No man takes My life from Me, I give My life" ( John 10:18 ). DEATH OF THE WICKED. Beyond Today Bible Commentary: Ecclesiastes. that vanity to which man has been made subject EXPOSITION But Peter said, "God isn't slack concerning His promises, as some men count slackness, but He's faithful to usward. is simply that the wicked were able to die and receive a proper burial after a long life without having to face up to what they'd doneall the while having been permitted in life to be regularly in God's temple, a sacrilege and mockery of religion. So God is very kind. righteous men to whom it happens ac Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. Fear God. Rather, the meaning here is that the prudent, law-abiding citizen will receive no punishment from the governmentat least, generally speaking. So you know, live it up now. A righteous man gets cancer; an unrighteous man gets cancer. Prudence before kings (Ecclesiastes 8:1)_ "I'm a prosperous cheat, so God is condoning my cheating. The Preacher is careful to set forth pleasure as a gift from God, to be earned by labor, and received with thankfulness to the Giver, and to be accounted for to Him. Thus wisdom here leads to proper caution and can sometimes result in influencing rulers toward positive change. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 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Not so. Proud member He had power over His Spirit to dismiss it. THERE IS A VANITY WHICH IS DONE UPON THE EARTH.] 3:22 ) ( 5:18 ) ; The preacher begins this chapter with the praise of wisdom, from its excellency and usefulness, Ecclesiastes 8:1; and advises men, if they would live quietly and comfortably, to honour and obey the king that rules over them, and not be rebellious against him, since he has great power and authority . Ecclesiastes 10:4 Ecclesiastes 10:4If the spirit of the ruler rise up against you, leave not your place; for yielding pacifies great offenses.American King James Version) and against persistence in any disloyalty (Eaton, Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries, note on Ecclesiastes 8:2-3 Ecclesiastes 8:2-3 [2] I counsel you to keep the king's commandment, and that in regard of the oath of God. Paul said, "Who are you to say unto Him that has created you, 'Why hast Thou made me thus?'" God does care. 1. i. Add to Wish List Add to Compare. him from his labour. THE PROBLEM OF THE "But it shall not be well with the wicked.". [17] Be not over much wicked, neither be you foolish: why should you die before your time? Benson Commentary Ecclesiastes 8:14-15. which God giveth him under the sun; God has given him; this is what had been observed before, ( By any of these interpretations, many see here a statement about not being able to withstand the inevitability of death generally. He would have us to take occasion hence, not to charge God with iniquity, but to charge the world with vanity. American King James Versiona). Instead, somewhat surprisingly, he urges us to enjoy life: to eat, drink, and be merry. He hasn't come and He's not going to come. in actual life. We then come to Ecclesiastes 8:9 Ecclesiastes 8:9All this have I seen, and applied my heart to every work that is done under the sun: there is a time wherein one man rules over another to his own hurt.American King James Version. under the sun the best thing to do is just to eat and drink and be merry ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ): Because man, that's all she wrote. Mirth therefore, and a contented enjoyment of God's gifts, preferable to immoderate care and search, Ecclesiastes 8:15. 5: oritur sol et occidit et ad locum suum revertitur ibique renascens. To live a God-fearing life is to live in constant awareness of the presence of God, who is even closer than a prayer away (pp. 1. he asks. This is because the instruction referred to obeying the king in general, whoever he wasor to obeying whatever human authority was in power. He doesn't strike immediately, but oftentimes forestalls judgment for months, for years. John Gill's Exposition of the Bible. He believed, even when there was no evidence for believing! (quoted on p. 135). This he speaks, either, A righteous man has prospered; an unrighteous man has prospered. The highest wisdom is ECCLESIASTES 8:14, it is best to give a man's self up to eating and Help for Today, Hope for Tomorrow| Learn more With a UCG.org account you will be able to save items to read and study later! a man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. No fault is to be found with God; but, as to the world, This is vanity upon the earth, and again, This is also vanity, that is, it is a certain evidence that the things of this world are not the best things nor were ever designed to make a portion and happiness for us, for, if they had, God would not have allotted so much of this world's wealth to his worst enemies and so much of its troubles to his best friends; there must therefore be another life after this the joys and griefs of which must be real and substantial, and able to make men truly happy or truly miserable, for this world does neither. American King James Version). 3. And one ruling another to that ones own hurt here is evidently a mistranslation. When the time comes for you to die, you don't have any power over your spirit to retain it, to cause your spirit to remain. observing that no difference is made between the righteous and He said, "Okay, you can go now." carried out. No man has any power over the spirit. Ecclesiastes 8:15 in all English translations. It seems that this lack of punishment encourages people to sin (11-12a). And who knoweth the interpretation of a thing? Though he be ever so ingenious, though he be a wise man in other things, and can fathom the counsels of kings themselves and trace them by their footsteps. Here he shows, 1. Notice as well that he mentions joy twice in this verse and describes it as something we can experience all through life. man, for men to be easy under every providence, satisfied with Nevertheless, there is joy for us in the ordinary things of lifeeating, drinking, and sharing fellowship with the people of God (p. 198). This is the perspective that must be maintainedalong with understanding what the future will bring. The scope of these verses is to keep subjects loyal and dutiful to the government. ( Romans 9:20 ) The sovereignty of the king, which also speaks to the sovereignty of God. There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there be just men, unto whom it happens according to the work of the wicked; again, there be wicked men, to whom it happens according to the work of the righteous: so I said that this also is vanity ( Ecclesiastes 8:13-14 ). And He is patient and merciful towards us as we struggle to walk in His ways, even despite our many and ongoing failures. Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he doeth whatsoever pleaseth him. ( Ecclesiastes 8:1-4 ). Romans 13 speaks of rulers executing wrath on evildoers. He would have us not to fret and perplex ourselves about it, or make ourselves uneasy, but cheerfully to enjoy what God has given us in the world, to be content with it and make the best of it, though it be much better with others, and such as we think very unworthy (Ecclesiastes 8:15; Ecclesiastes 8:15): Then I commended joy, a holy security and serenity of mind, arising from a confidence in God, and his power, providence, and promise, because a man has no better thing under the sun (though a good man has much better things above the sun) than to eat and drink, that is, soberly and thankfully to make use of the things of this life according as his rank is, and to be cheerful, whatever happens, for that shall abide with him of his labour. That you might fear the LORD your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, you, and your son, and your son's son, all the days of your life; and that your days may be prolonged. [2.] (see NOTE TO PROVERBS below) It is the Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. In this division, dealing with the evidences of the vanity of life, In Solomon's reign the people were very rich, and lived in prosperity, which perhaps made them proud and petulant, and when the taxes were high, though they had enough to pay them with, it is probable that many conducted themselves . American King James Version). Man in this world is the property of _labour._ 3. THE FOLLOWING COMMENTARY COVERS CHAPTER S 1 THROUGH 12. These seeming anomalies in the moral government of God are part of 1-17. Wisdom strengthens the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. The sentiment of this verse is a frequent conclusion of the writers personal experience (compare marginal references), and is unfairly charged with Epicureanism. No power in death. Salem Media Group. We come now to the last part of the books third major section, which began in chapter 6, dealing with explaining and applying the plan of God in light of it seeming to be unfair. He's very patient. the Book of Proverbs. You can't escape it. being much better than to fret at the prosperity of the wicked, [29] See, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. The question in Ecclesiastes isn't about the existence of God; the author is no atheist, and God is always there. 14 As Peter is talking about the second coming of the Lord, he said, "Hey, in the last days there are going to be scoffers that are going to come saying, 'Where is the promise of Jesus coming again? his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be? Thinks that he has been clever and has hid his sin from God, or worse yet, thinks that God is condoning what he has done. And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day. And let us truly rejoice. It's emptiness. of the greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who s "SO. American King James Version; and read all of this psalm). Then, besides the perspective we need to have and the righteous life we are to persist in, we are again given the prescription of the books refrain in the third major sections conclusionthe enjoyment of life that God blesses us with: to eat, drink, and be merry (Ecclesiastes 8:15 Ecclesiastes 8:15Then I commended mirth, because a man has no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun.American King James Version). Wisdom helps people see the underlying meaning of things and teaches them that to act with pleasantness is better than to act with harshness (8:1). We see the just troubled and perplexed in their own minds, the wicked easy, fearless, and secure,--the just crossed and afflicted by the divine Providence, the wicked prosperous, successful, and smiled upon,--the just, censured, reproached, and run down, by the higher powers, the wicked applauded and preferred. Many claim that the death penalty is an ineffective deterrent to capital crime today. COMMEND PLEASURE, FOR THERE IS NOTHING GOOD FOR. However, some take visiting the holy place here as having occurred repeatedly during the life of the wicked people now being buried. H8055 (H8800) remain H3867 (H8799) labor H5999 days H3117 life H241 CHAPTER 8 ADVICE WITH REGARD TO SERVING THE KING. [29] For our God is a consuming fire. It doesn't matter to God that I'm living an immoral life, because look at all that I have." The change of face here also reflects a new face on the problems previously discussed. potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons Others had likewise set themselves to make this enquiry with so close an application that they could not find time for sleep, either day or night, nor find in their hearts to sleep, so full of anxiety were they about these things. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? with him of his labour the days of his life, which God givet KINGS'COURTS NEED WARY WALKING For the time being we are subject to human rule. God's ways are above ours, nor is he tied to his own former ways, but his judgments are a great deep. No man has any power over the spirit. [3] Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. When I applied mine heart to know wisdom, and to see the business that is done upon the earth: (for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes:) Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it ( Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 ). 15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. The sentiment CHAPTER 8 Of the righteous and the wicked (Ecclesiastes 8:11) [11] Now no chastening for the present seems to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to them which are exercised thereby. And the word forgotten does work here. When on the cross, it said, "He bowed his head and dismissed His Spirit" ( John 19:30 ). Fear of the Lord is to depart from evil. But ultimately, it will go only this way when God sets everything right. We'll send you an email with steps on how to reset your password. life was a low one. A man cannot find out the work of God though you search it out. One day, God will set things right. But in context the wording appears to continue the warning about not getting into trouble with the government. God's not willing that any should perish but that all should come into repentance. [10] For they truly for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. But the person who fears God knows that God is always near. There is no man that has power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither has he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it. ( Ecclesiastes 8:5-7 ). This equal mind, expressing itself in a grave dignified bearing, is, with them, well-nigh indispensable to success in, public life. Some translate the word ruach here as breath (of life) rather than spirit, but that would not change the point here. Still, the language resembles the skeptical precept (1Co 15:32), introduced only to be refuted; and "abide" is too strong language, perhaps, for a religious man to apply to "eating" and "mirth.". CONTENTS: Wisdom recommended as an antidote against the temptations Love the brotherhood. The NIV renders the phrase in verses 5 and 6 as proper time and procedure. The New American Commentary notes: The wise man thus waits for the proper moment to make his case or take a stand and does not waste his influence on a lost cause (v. 3b). Verse 12 seems to support the past perpetuation of the wicked as the frustration, as it mentions the sinners days being prolonged. common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, Ecclesiastes 7:15; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is . yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ): Now, in the end the best life is the life of fearing God, walking with God. Then I commended merriment, because a man hath no better thing ( Ecclesiastes 8:15 ), And this is his human philosophy and human reasoning coming out again. Abject in his fear before Moses, he was ready to promise anything; insolent in his pride, he swallows down his promises as soon as fear is eased, his repentance and his retractation of it combined to add new weights about his neck. 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